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Tag! Strategic Planning (Part II of II)

Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:27 PM EST
not-news, tags, newsvine-photographers, nvp-info
By etva
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Part 1 of this series can be found here.

Tags are a way of organizing your online articles into a searchable database using key words and expressions.  Most people choose their tags based on personal preference, and that’s fine, but if you want others to be able to use tags to find your articles, you need to plan out your strategy.


Etva lived here! Click on the photo if you'd like to visit this shelf in her library! © 1994 by etva

There are basically two schools of thought on tagging:  the “more is better” approach and the “less is best” approach.

Some people use as many tags as they can think of, hoping to get more people to visit their articles from Internet search engines like Google or Bing.  Unfortunately, search engines list their results based on the number of hits an article has received.  In my case, I’m assuming that I’ll be down around page 50 in the list, so I don’t bother with this strategy.

Instead, I tag for Viners, who might visit my column looking for specific types of articles.  If I have hundreds of tags in my library, most people won’t take the time to look through them.

Consider that each of your tag words is like a shelf in your library.  It’s confusing to have four different shelves for photography, photos, images and pictures.  Instead, choose one tag word and stick with it.  Which word you use is a matter of personal preference, though you might consider what word most people would use in a search on the Internet. 

Each word has its own nuance.  If you are simply posting photos, then the word “photos” should suffice, but if you are writing an article about photographic techniques, “photography” might be a better tag word. 

Since I prefer the simplicity method, I don’t even bother using separate tags for “photography” or “photos,” because all of my photo articles are tagged as “newsvine-photographers.”

Instead, I focus on organizing my articles into predetermined categories, which best fit my usual content using a tiered approach of broad, medium and specific tags. 

“Newsvine-photographers” is almost always my broad category, since I mostly post photos, but occasionally, I’ll post a “personal-narrative.”  The types of photos I post can usually be categorized into more specific tags such as “flowers,” “pets,” or “butterflies.”  

So how do you choose your tag categories?

I use word associations and then delete the words that wouldn’t really be helpful in narrowing down an online search.  For example:

“animals” – “pets” – “dogs” – “cairn-terriers” – “Yeti”

This article is not about me, so you won't find "Yeti" as a tag! But click on my photo if you'd like to see articles about etva's pets. © 2011 by etva

“Animals” is a broad category, and I wouldn’t use it in any search for a dog.  “Pets” and “dogs” are better descriptions of a category that someone might search.  “Cairn-terriers” is a specific tag, but my articles aren’t really about cairn terriers; rather they are photos of my pet dog, who goes by the name of “Yeti.”  If someone visits my column, they’ll recognize the name, and can search for those articles under that specific tag word.

“travel” – “Europe” – “Great-Britain” – “UK” – “Wiltshire-County” – “landmark” - “Stonehenge”

If you were doing a search online, would you use each of those terms?  How many people know that Stonehenge is in Wiltshire County, UK?  I just tagged my photos as “Stonehenge” because I think it gets right to the point.  My broad category (shelf in my library) is tagged UK, because I have lots of photos from that location, and it tells me exactly where I need to go to see those photos.  I don’t bother with the category of travel, because there’s no need, when I include a tag for the location.

So to summarize, I recommend three things when planning your library of tag words:

  1. Consistency!  Use the same tag word for similar articles, so they all show up in one place, rather than haphazardly scattered throughout your library.  Spelling and dashes matter, though capitalization doesn’t.
  2. Simplicity!  Like automated phone services, most people get frustrated when they have to keep punching numbers (or search words) to get to where they are trying to go. 
  3. Balance! Identify broad and medium categories that best describe your content, and get specific when warranted. 

To help you plan your strategy, the following (though far from inclusive) are some word associations and suggestions to consider:

Click on my photo to see what my favorite tag is! © MO with permission.

  • Artistic Categories (abstracts, black and whites, movement, low key, high key, macros, photoshopped, enhanced)
  • Types of Photo Articles (photo stories, photo essays, photo journalism, photo techniques, photo collaborations)
  • Hobbies (collections, crafts, fishing, foodies, hiking)
  • Holidays (Christmas, Easter, Halloween)
  • Gardening (flowers, plants, trees, wildflowers, vegetables)
  • Nature (fields, forests, woods, rivers, ponds, ocean, waterfalls, mountains)
  • Pets (dogs, cats, hamsters)
  • Skies (clouds, constellations, moon, sunsets)
  • Travel (country, city, landmark, name of attraction)
  • Weather (winter, summer, spring, fall, snow, earthquakes, storms, climate)
  • Wildlife (birds, insects, squirrels)
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etva

These are just a few suggestions to help you identify tags for your articles. Click on any photo in this article, and it will take you to a tag list -- or a shelf in my library.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:28 PM EST
Kavika

Good information etva. Thanks for that.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:43 PM EST
etva

Thanks, Kav! Are you using your "Wiki-Adventures" tag? [etva tapping foot, not finding any new articles on the topic]

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 12:45 PM EST
Jackie-2759125

Thanks etva - this helps. Simple is better.

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 9:33 AM EST
etva

Thanks Jackie!

  • 1 vote
#2.3 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:04 AM EST
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dmlane

Wow, great job on your site btw...

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:00 PM EST
etva

Thanks! It's a work in progress! LOL:)

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:08 PM EST
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Ben Josephs

Excellent work, etva. Thanks for taking the time to help your fellow 'viner succeed.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:22 PM EST
etva

Thanks Ben! Hopefully, this will get us thinking about potential NVP tag categories.

I should add, that it is easy to edit older articles to retag into categories and organize our libraries.

  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:50 PM EST
Ben Josephs

Our Newsvine articles?

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:52 PM EST
etva

Yes. Just go into edit mode and change the tags. I've done it several times when I reorganize my archives. Of course, it has to be done by individual Viners. We can't edit for group members.

  • 1 vote
#4.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 1:58 PM EST
Ben Josephs

Oh, I thought (wished really) you had found some way to change tags in a batch, like you can on Flickr.

  • 1 vote
#4.4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:07 PM EST
etva

LOL! I wish! Hmmm, maybe in New Newsvine?

  • 1 vote
#4.5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:42 PM EST
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Anna-90776

ll of ll huh? That's it for tags! Very good advice and a really well put together article etva. I just keep learning from you. Thanks.

  • 1 vote
Reply#5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:49 PM EST
etva

Well, I could go on, but we admins are only suggesting. It's up to the members of the group to choose their own tags. We'd just like people to be consistent, so our library is easier to peruse.

As Ben noted above, Flickr tags are much easier to deal with. Admins have the ability to tag photos coming into groups, and we can do it in batch form. Also, it's more important to use existing tags on Flickr, and to search around and see what tags others are using for similar photos. I discovered that my photos of foreign locations need to be tagged in foreign languages - LOL!

  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:48 PM EST
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HollyKl

Great article, etva, with a common sense and useful approach to tagging. Tags are certainly a matter of personal choice but I would echo you advice and say don't attach a huge number of tags to any article. I know for myself that I will simply ignore all the tags if there are too many of them.

  • 1 vote
Reply#6 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:59 PM EST
etva

Thanks, Holly! I agree. Unfortunately, NV doesn't alphabetize our tag lists, so if I can't just scan the page looking for something, I don't bother.

Also, if you use tags consistently, you can link your archive tag to photos in new articles, so people can find other similar photos or topics that you've posted.

[etva grumbles] I can't believe Ben didn't comment on that - LOL. I even linked my brand to the "nvp-info" tag! LOL:)

  • 2 votes
#6.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 5:04 PM EST
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rottlady

Excellent info etva! Using tags makes it a whole lot more manageable all the way around and your point about not "tag bombing" is a good one. Add too many tags is a waist of time and unnecessary and using relevant tags is best!

and it's against the NV Code of Honor. (emphasis mine )

Headlines should be supported by the information presented in the article/seed, rather than used primarily as a means to draw attention. Articles and seeds must be published to appropriate groups and categories. Tags must be relevant to the article or seed.

  • 4 votes
Reply#7 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:35 PM EST
etva

Excellent point, Rottlady! I should have included the CoH in the article, but I'm hoping I explained why simplicity benefits the Viner, as well as the reader.

  • 4 votes
#7.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 5:06 PM EST
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58rose

i don't got no tageeeee things and i don't get it.

  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:35 PM EST
etva

OK, 58. I'll do a third article on tags in your honor, but it will have to wait a bit. I need to learn how to do screen shots first. If I can learn screen shots, you can learn to do tags. We'll have you tagged and archived in no time! *evil grins*

  • 2 votes
#8.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:43 PM EST
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Anna-90776

58, I know etva will respond directly; but if you mean you don't know "where" to tag you type the words in just left of where you check mark what "group" you are posting to. Put a comma , in between the few words. ☺

  • 1 vote
Reply#9 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:38 PM EST
etva

Ha! Anna, we need to plan a tagging mission on 58's column! I'll do another article on the topic, but first, I want to learn how to do screen shots on my own. I'll need help from NVP on that though. Apparently it's done through paint. He's never used any tags on his articles -- only newsvine categories show in his archives.

  • 1 vote
#9.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:47 PM EST
Anna-90776

Come on 58!! Type Rosie in there!! ♥ Anna pulls blender out again, shaking head and blinking at the thought of having to stop the snowball fights to go in and tag 58's articles!!

  • 1 vote
#9.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:53 PM EST
etva

No worries, Anna! I'm having a snow-war brand made! *snicker*

  • 2 votes
#9.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:58 PM EST
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58rose

::::::(((((

  • 3 votes
#10 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 9:53 PM EST
etva

Damn it 58, this is no time to be smoking! We're trying to organize your tank, er, I mean library!

  • 3 votes
#10.1 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:00 PM EST
58rose

i didn't tell ya i have a lighter now, ya all can hide the matches all ya want. lol as he coughs and hacks, oh my smoky in here.

  • 3 votes
#10.2 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:27 PM EST
Anna-90776

etva: check out 58's newest post: he used his first tag and it was perfect!! Phew, mission accomplished with no boots required:)

  • 3 votes
#10.3 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:29 PM EST
etva

Yes he did! Yeah! Well done, 58!

[etva dances around happily; trips over the rocket launcher; lands on her arse]

Anna, we need to organize our gear. It's getting darned crowded in my living room!

  • 3 votes
#10.4 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:47 PM EST
Anna-90776

lol!! Tag the gear!!

  • 2 votes
#10.5 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:48 PM EST
etva

Yeah, but we need to move it. Maybe Mrs. D has some extra room in the lunch/med truck?

  • 3 votes
#10.6 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:50 PM EST
58rose

hey hey i'm right here can you not see me, no putting blow up stuff in the lunch truck. you 2 better straighten up or no more tags. lol

  • 4 votes
#10.7 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:55 PM EST
etva

*gasp* You're going to bribe us with tags???? That's just plain mean, 58!

[etva stomps off looking for revenge]

  • 2 votes
#10.8 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:59 PM EST
58rose

well hey etva, ya can't hide blow up stuff where people are going to eat and drink. come on now don't go away mad, those that look for revenge, usually get pooped on by flying squirrels.

  • 4 votes
#10.9 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:05 PM EST
etva

[etva opens umbrella...]

LOL!

  • 3 votes
#10.10 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:05 AM EST
Anna-90776

lol!! good one:)

  • 2 votes
#10.11 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 2:09 PM EST
Mrs D-1475814

58♥ if you want dear man.. you can place a tag on your tank and my lunch truck. Then when you need me, I will bring help. :)

  • 2 votes
#10.12 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 6:18 PM EST
etva

We need wireless in Mrs. D's truck! :-)

  • 3 votes
#10.13 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:28 PM EST
58rose

OK what now!! what is this wireless thingeeeee man tags now what?

  • 3 votes
#10.14 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:02 PM EST
etva

I'm just thinking her truck should include a communications network. Maybe we can create our own Internet:)

  • 3 votes
#10.15 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:06 AM EST
Mrs D-1475814

*Pondering* Our own internet! :)

  • 1 vote
#10.16 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 5:16 PM EST
etva

*evil grins*

  • 1 vote
#10.17 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 8:41 PM EST
58rose

can i run the cafe, there has to be smoking allowed?

  • 3 votes
#10.18 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:40 AM EST
Mrs D-1475814

Heck, I smoke cigs in my lunch truck so I suppose you can also. Unless, the Government says we can't smoke in our own property of course. :)

  • 3 votes
#10.19 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 1:47 PM EST
58rose

well OK then, sounds like a great job.

  • 2 votes
#10.20 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 8:44 PM EST
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Master Link

Very cool etva,

And some questions, you mention shelves a couple times, what do you mean by shelve?

Next how do you set up your archives, I don't see an archive listed anywhere on my customize page, is there a link to this information somewhere?

I also like how I can search your archive by Article or Seeds, very cool.

If you need help with screen shots I might be able to help. I'm no expert with paint, but it looks close enough to Publisher for me to be able to figure it out.

  • 3 votes
Reply#11 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 12:18 AM EST
etva

Hi ML! A "shelf" is my analogy for articles listed under any given tag. When we post an article, it is automatically archived on NV, and should show up on your column, under "Articles and Seeds by Tag," usually found on the right hand side of your column under friends and watchlist. Having said that, you don't have it - LOL!

So go to your column and click on "Customize Column" at the top of your page. You should find a box called "Articles and Seeds by Tag." If it says "show," than you can click that to make it appear. If it says "hide," then you have a glitch in your system! LOL. I do as well, btw. I cannot "hide" anything on my column, like most people can. BTW, it may take 24 hours for the change to take effect on your column, or at least, it sometimes does for me.

So, once you get your box of tags to show, you can use it like a library, with each tag being a shelf of articles. If you click on one of those tags, it will take you to a list of articles tagged with the same word or phrase.

For an example, go to my column, and look for my "List of articles and seeds by Tag." At the top of mine, you'll find "Newsvine-Photographers" and "Not-news," which is the NVP category I use the most. Whatever NVP category you choose, will appear as a tag in your archive.

If you click on see more, you'll be taken to a page listing all of my tags. Some people have several pages worth of tags. I try to keep mine small and simple, so I can use them. If you click on any picture on this page, it will take you to a "shelf" in my archives.

I haven't really tried to learn screen shots yet, but after I do, if I can't, I'll be sure to give you a shout! I have PSE9 so I'd probably rather use that than Paint.

  • 3 votes
#11.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:19 AM EST
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58rose

OK, now what screen shots and we have to paint stuff. oh man i stick to the tageee thing.

  • 4 votes
Reply#12 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 12:28 AM EST
etva

LOL, 58! Don't worry about screen shots for the moment. We need to create your entire Library of Tags first!

  • 1 vote
#12.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:20 AM EST
58rose

oh man, now i have to do a whole library i don't know about this tageeee thing it sounds like work and you know i'm retired.

  • 3 votes
#12.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:04 PM EST
etva

You already have one, 58; we're just going to add some books, er, articles:)

  • 1 vote
#12.3 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 9:07 AM EST
58rose

will you know them there books can get heavy, and i'm retired.

  • 2 votes
#12.4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:41 AM EST
etva

You're the one writing them, 58! LOL:)

  • 1 vote
#12.5 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 7:43 AM EST
58rose

well then, ill have think on that. not write think, and no smoking jokes. lol

  • 2 votes
#12.6 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 8:45 PM EST
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Anna-90776

etva, Come Saturday morning and I am editing my tags. Amazing! A mis spelled word is its own tag, a hyphen in weekend exposure was its own tag; columns you have clipped can be found by their tags on your page. I'm learning a lot!! Thank you again Great Teacher!!

  • 1 vote
Reply#13 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 10:01 AM EST
etva

*giggles* I think Anna is having fun! It's a bit addictive organizing, is it not? I'm glad you learned something. Always makes for a good day!

  • 1 vote
#13.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 11:20 AM EST
Anna-90776

It is fun! I'd forgotten all the stuff I posted and no wonder! Way too many tags! I am downsizing and when done I will be much better able to find favorites to share! Thanks again.

  • 2 votes
#13.2 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 2:13 PM EST
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Mrs D-1475814

Excellent article young lady! Less and to the point is so much better. Thanks! :)

  • 2 votes
Reply#14 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 6:15 PM EST
etva

Thanks, Mrs. D! I really think tagging has benefits! It's worth the effort:)

  • 2 votes
#14.1 - Sat Feb 4, 2012 7:30 PM EST
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GrayTherapy

Hey, hey, hey, ETVA, I do agree with you 100%. Even when I play with the search engines such as Yahoo, Google, and even meta search engines such as Mamma I keep my search down to very simple terms. A very good article, and believe it appears to be helping many viners. Yet (pls smile) there are also some good reasons to add several tags. Although, like you, I try to use as few primary tags as possible.

Almost, forgot, sent you an invitation to think about, Holistic Wellness and Health.

An A+ article!!!

  • 2 votes
Reply#15 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 3:18 PM EST
etva

Thanks Gray. I agree, there are sometimes reasons to add multiple tags, but simplicity (and thoughtful tagging) will usually cover the bases for most of us posting to NVP. On the rare occasions that I post political or opinion pieces, my tags are different.

Thanks for the invite. I'll check my email. I'm running a bit behind on my tracker:)

  • 1 vote
#15.1 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 8:44 PM EST
GrayTherapy

Our fabulous minds think the same. ;)

  • 2 votes
#15.2 - Sun Feb 5, 2012 11:07 PM EST
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